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		<title>Comment on WIFGI 4.2:  Why Hating the Church Was a Bad Thing by ChrisP</title>
		<link>http://disputedmutability.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/why-i-forsook-gay-identity-part-42-why-hating-the-church-was-a-bad-thing/#comment-15022</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 04:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t remember the SSA issues being as pronounced in 2007 as they are today, but in a world where gay friends&#039; souls are at stake because the church doesn&#039;t understand the first thing about this conflict, these posts have been incredibly enlightening. Thank you so much for your transparency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember the SSA issues being as pronounced in 2007 as they are today, but in a world where gay friends&#8217; souls are at stake because the church doesn&#8217;t understand the first thing about this conflict, these posts have been incredibly enlightening. Thank you so much for your transparency.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Misadventures With &#8220;Healing&#8221; Approaches to Homosexuality by Don&#8217;t cover my face with your heart&#8211;a quick addendum on &#8220;My Peace I Give You&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don&#8217;t cover my face with your heart&#8211;a quick addendum on &#8220;My Peace I Give You&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] because of the psychoanalytic narrative that homosexuality is caused by abuse.This narrative can foster mistrust between adult children and their parents; it can cause parents to blame themselves for their [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because of the psychoanalytic narrative that homosexuality is caused by abuse.This narrative can foster mistrust between adult children and their parents; it can cause parents to blame themselves for their [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Forsook Gay Identity, Part 1: Introduction by The Minority Report &#124; The Groom&#039;s Family</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Minority Report &#124; The Groom&#039;s Family]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] My sense is that if you&#8217;re Christian and you&#8217;ve had experiences like these, you&#8217;re more likely to self-identify as gay, and if you haven&#8217;t, you&#8217;re more likely to self-identify as same-sex attracted. (Although for a contrasting perspective, see here.) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My sense is that if you&#8217;re Christian and you&#8217;ve had experiences like these, you&#8217;re more likely to self-identify as gay, and if you haven&#8217;t, you&#8217;re more likely to self-identify as same-sex attracted. (Although for a contrasting perspective, see here.) [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hi There by Sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sonia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 05:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, just wanted to stop by. I hope the little ones are well and filling your heart with joy and wonder. His blessings to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, just wanted to stop by. I hope the little ones are well and filling your heart with joy and wonder. His blessings to you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Random Thoughts on Exgay Marriage by disputedmutability</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[disputedmutability]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 04:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robin,

Thank you for sharing a little about your experience here.  I am so sorry that you went through such abuse and such pain…and that the Christian community was not supportive in the aftermath of that.

Though I&#039;ve long known that many ex-gay marriages don&#039;t work out, only in the past couple of years or so have I read about nightmarish stories like your own--where the gay spouse brutally takes out their issues on the straight spouse.  It was (and is) a hard thing for me to fathom--how could someone mistreat and abuse someone who was out of love taking significant risks and possibly making big sacrifices for them?  

This post was written five years ago, and some things just weren&#039;t on my radar back then.  When I revise/update my thoughts on the subject, I&#039;ll be taking a more cautionary tone, and paying more attention to the potential for disaster and abuse, as well as the experience of the straight spouse more generally.  Thank you again for adding your voice to this conversation--I realize it may have been awkward or difficult to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing a little about your experience here.  I am so sorry that you went through such abuse and such pain…and that the Christian community was not supportive in the aftermath of that.</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;ve long known that many ex-gay marriages don&#8217;t work out, only in the past couple of years or so have I read about nightmarish stories like your own&#8211;where the gay spouse brutally takes out their issues on the straight spouse.  It was (and is) a hard thing for me to fathom&#8211;how could someone mistreat and abuse someone who was out of love taking significant risks and possibly making big sacrifices for them?  </p>
<p>This post was written five years ago, and some things just weren&#8217;t on my radar back then.  When I revise/update my thoughts on the subject, I&#8217;ll be taking a more cautionary tone, and paying more attention to the potential for disaster and abuse, as well as the experience of the straight spouse more generally.  Thank you again for adding your voice to this conversation&#8211;I realize it may have been awkward or difficult to do so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Random Thoughts on Exgay Marriage by robin yeagley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robin yeagley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I AM an ex-wife of an &quot;ex-gay so-called reformed Christian man&quot;...for me, it was over 12 years ago and the most horrible, abusive, dark time of my life. I believe that because he forced himself to deny who he TRULY was, he took tat frustration out on me. I endured almost 1 year of this horrid union, and I still am haunted by it to this day. The mental, verbal, emotional, spiritual, and finally physical abuse are things that I will carry with me forever...and the Christian community that I turned to at that time did nothing to help me, penniless and homeless when I left...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM an ex-wife of an &#8220;ex-gay so-called reformed Christian man&#8221;&#8230;for me, it was over 12 years ago and the most horrible, abusive, dark time of my life. I believe that because he forced himself to deny who he TRULY was, he took tat frustration out on me. I endured almost 1 year of this horrid union, and I still am haunted by it to this day. The mental, verbal, emotional, spiritual, and finally physical abuse are things that I will carry with me forever&#8230;and the Christian community that I turned to at that time did nothing to help me, penniless and homeless when I left&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Random Thoughts on Exgay Marriage by Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 02:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is so refreshing to hear someone who is in a similar situation to me! I was 16 when I became pregnant. On purpose. I was convinced that a family as soon as possible and a husband, etc were what I wanted. I wanted to be married and my husband was the first guy who would have me. eventually we did get married, but I always hoped I was only attracted to women &quot;also&quot; like he told me. Which, he was fine with.  Then closer to the wedding, with my son already on my knee and the invitations sent out, I realized I was gay. I told him and he married me anyway. Its been almost 4 years since this happened. I fell for girls. Several, but one more than any. It took me 3 years to realize that it was just not meant to be with this person. I had thought my marriage was what kept me from her, but I really realized my marriage was something I just took for granted. I turned away from my faith for this girl and I turned away from my marriage. I neglected my husband and I took my children and family life for granted. Right now, I&#039;m fighting for my marriage. I do want to say, it IS possible to be gay and one day find yourself attracted to the opposite sex. I realized now it was a mental block I&#039;d put up for myself, and, like you stated, I will always find the fairer sex awe-inspiring, but I do not think that my path lies with a woman and I don&#039;t believe I want to give up on my marriage, even as my husband is walking out the door. I&#039;m going to fight for it and I&#039;m going to turn inwardly to do it. I did some living, I broke my vows (though not without his encouragement, but it was still wrong and still hurt my future) and now I just want to get back on the right path. I don&#039;t know if God can forgive me for what I did I just hope that he can bring my husband back around, if not for my sake, then for our kids&#039;. My husband has been faithful and patient for 4 years but with our anniversary approaching, I think he just got tired of being with a lesbian. I wish that he would read this article (he won&#039;t, of course) and that he would realize I was just a fool and people do change, and, yes sometimes overnight. When they realize we are made for marriage not for dating and fun. I also, to anyone who reads this, recommend the book &quot;living two lives: married to a man, in love with a woman&quot; and it is good for the husband or the wife to read. Very informative and it helped me more than I can say. Good luck to anyone out there going through a similar situation, and I&#039;d appreciate the prayers if you&#039;d like to give them :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so refreshing to hear someone who is in a similar situation to me! I was 16 when I became pregnant. On purpose. I was convinced that a family as soon as possible and a husband, etc were what I wanted. I wanted to be married and my husband was the first guy who would have me. eventually we did get married, but I always hoped I was only attracted to women &#8220;also&#8221; like he told me. Which, he was fine with.  Then closer to the wedding, with my son already on my knee and the invitations sent out, I realized I was gay. I told him and he married me anyway. Its been almost 4 years since this happened. I fell for girls. Several, but one more than any. It took me 3 years to realize that it was just not meant to be with this person. I had thought my marriage was what kept me from her, but I really realized my marriage was something I just took for granted. I turned away from my faith for this girl and I turned away from my marriage. I neglected my husband and I took my children and family life for granted. Right now, I&#8217;m fighting for my marriage. I do want to say, it IS possible to be gay and one day find yourself attracted to the opposite sex. I realized now it was a mental block I&#8217;d put up for myself, and, like you stated, I will always find the fairer sex awe-inspiring, but I do not think that my path lies with a woman and I don&#8217;t believe I want to give up on my marriage, even as my husband is walking out the door. I&#8217;m going to fight for it and I&#8217;m going to turn inwardly to do it. I did some living, I broke my vows (though not without his encouragement, but it was still wrong and still hurt my future) and now I just want to get back on the right path. I don&#8217;t know if God can forgive me for what I did I just hope that he can bring my husband back around, if not for my sake, then for our kids&#8217;. My husband has been faithful and patient for 4 years but with our anniversary approaching, I think he just got tired of being with a lesbian. I wish that he would read this article (he won&#8217;t, of course) and that he would realize I was just a fool and people do change, and, yes sometimes overnight. When they realize we are made for marriage not for dating and fun. I also, to anyone who reads this, recommend the book &#8220;living two lives: married to a man, in love with a woman&#8221; and it is good for the husband or the wife to read. Very informative and it helped me more than I can say. Good luck to anyone out there going through a similar situation, and I&#8217;d appreciate the prayers if you&#8217;d like to give them <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Random Thoughts on Exgay Marriage by Coleman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coleman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 05:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disputed Mutability:

Thank you for posting this. It really helps me. I&#039;m a guy struggling with unwanted SSA and reading an ex-gay story that&#039;s not &quot;I found God who cured me, now I&#039;m happily married and everything&#039;s going my way!&quot; is very comforting. It&#039;s also nice to hear that you&#039;ve told your husband about your attractions and yet you&#039;re both still together. I read somewhere that you don&#039;t become of one flesh unless you tell your spouse about your SSA (whether it&#039;s gone or not). 

I, like so many others, want to get married and have a family but these attractions set me back. I guess I&#039;m just afraid that if I tell my spouse the truth, she might leave me. Society today orders us all to take on these one-dimensional labels that don&#039;t really mean much. But reading your story gives me hope that I can find someone who would be willing to stay with me &quot;till death do us part.&quot; I want to give myself to someone unconditionally while they give themselves to me. And I want that someone to be a woman. I envision what it would be like with a man and for awhile I started to believe that it could work. But then I realized what Christ said in Matthew 19:5 &quot;For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.&quot; When I really analyzed that verse, I knew that being with a woman wasn&#039;t just about satisfying whatever my hopes and dreams were, but about serving God. Sometimes, that is more important than serving yourself, no matter how difficult it might be. 

So, thank you. Thank you for your honesty, courage, and devotion to your husband, family, and God. 

With Christ,
COLEMAN]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disputed Mutability:</p>
<p>Thank you for posting this. It really helps me. I&#8217;m a guy struggling with unwanted SSA and reading an ex-gay story that&#8217;s not &#8220;I found God who cured me, now I&#8217;m happily married and everything&#8217;s going my way!&#8221; is very comforting. It&#8217;s also nice to hear that you&#8217;ve told your husband about your attractions and yet you&#8217;re both still together. I read somewhere that you don&#8217;t become of one flesh unless you tell your spouse about your SSA (whether it&#8217;s gone or not). </p>
<p>I, like so many others, want to get married and have a family but these attractions set me back. I guess I&#8217;m just afraid that if I tell my spouse the truth, she might leave me. Society today orders us all to take on these one-dimensional labels that don&#8217;t really mean much. But reading your story gives me hope that I can find someone who would be willing to stay with me &#8220;till death do us part.&#8221; I want to give myself to someone unconditionally while they give themselves to me. And I want that someone to be a woman. I envision what it would be like with a man and for awhile I started to believe that it could work. But then I realized what Christ said in Matthew 19:5 &#8220;For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.&#8221; When I really analyzed that verse, I knew that being with a woman wasn&#8217;t just about satisfying whatever my hopes and dreams were, but about serving God. Sometimes, that is more important than serving yourself, no matter how difficult it might be. </p>
<p>So, thank you. Thank you for your honesty, courage, and devotion to your husband, family, and God. </p>
<p>With Christ,<br />
COLEMAN</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Me by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 09:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. This is a really sad blog. I&#039;m happy for you if you&#039;re happily married, but you&#039;ve been spending your life trying to get rid of something that is inherently part of you, and no matter how much you think it&#039;s gone, it isn&#039;t. Being gay is NOT a choice and it is NOT a &quot;sin&quot;. People are either gay or they aren&#039;t. I feel sorry for you that intolerant Christians have caused you to believe being gay is bad which has caused you to endure this long and pointless struggle - there are certainly Christians out there who are willing to accept the fact that homosexuality is not a choice, nor is &quot;sinful&quot; in any way.

You genuinely seem to believe that being gay is a sin, and I respect you for trying to do what you think is right, but this blog honestly just contributes to the masses of anti-gay poison already out there and makes people think that &quot;ex-gay&quot; is a legitimate (and possible) thing, which it is not, and that people should try to &quot;overcome&quot; homosexuality, which they should not.

I hope one day you can realize that it is people, and not your &quot;God&quot;, who believe homosexuality is a sin, and that the only reason they believe this is out of fear of people who are different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. This is a really sad blog. I&#8217;m happy for you if you&#8217;re happily married, but you&#8217;ve been spending your life trying to get rid of something that is inherently part of you, and no matter how much you think it&#8217;s gone, it isn&#8217;t. Being gay is NOT a choice and it is NOT a &#8220;sin&#8221;. People are either gay or they aren&#8217;t. I feel sorry for you that intolerant Christians have caused you to believe being gay is bad which has caused you to endure this long and pointless struggle &#8211; there are certainly Christians out there who are willing to accept the fact that homosexuality is not a choice, nor is &#8220;sinful&#8221; in any way.</p>
<p>You genuinely seem to believe that being gay is a sin, and I respect you for trying to do what you think is right, but this blog honestly just contributes to the masses of anti-gay poison already out there and makes people think that &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; is a legitimate (and possible) thing, which it is not, and that people should try to &#8220;overcome&#8221; homosexuality, which they should not.</p>
<p>I hope one day you can realize that it is people, and not your &#8220;God&#8221;, who believe homosexuality is a sin, and that the only reason they believe this is out of fear of people who are different.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why I Forsook Gay Identity, Part 3: Openness by desmognathus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[desmognathus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 03:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DM, thank you so much for these posts.  I stumbled across your blog tonight and have very much enjoyed it.  I have never experienced SSA, but your posts give me pause for thought on a lot of other fronts.  For example, this one made me think of the parts of my self-image that I might be overly attached to, to the detriment of my relationship with Christ and my willingness to love things that He calls good.  Your other posts have given me lots of great stuff to think about too, in many ways that have nothing to do with sexuality.  I won&#039;t be able to post on them all, but I really appreciate it, and God bless.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DM, thank you so much for these posts.  I stumbled across your blog tonight and have very much enjoyed it.  I have never experienced SSA, but your posts give me pause for thought on a lot of other fronts.  For example, this one made me think of the parts of my self-image that I might be overly attached to, to the detriment of my relationship with Christ and my willingness to love things that He calls good.  Your other posts have given me lots of great stuff to think about too, in many ways that have nothing to do with sexuality.  I won&#8217;t be able to post on them all, but I really appreciate it, and God bless.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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